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 Post subject: Re: "Eyes Wide Shut"
PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:44 pm 
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it is hard to be joyful when your movies are consistently showing how fucked the world is, the last line in EWS was shorthand for "we're fucked"


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 Post subject: Re: "Eyes Wide Shut"
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:14 am 
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gregtramel wrote:
it is hard to be joyful when your movies are consistently showing how fucked the world is, the last line in EWS was shorthand for "we're fucked"

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I was talking about joy in a different sense. It would have to do with Kubrick's brain state when making the film, and that of his actors; not whether the scenes are "up" or not.

Most or all of my favorite films are about how fucked up the world is.

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 Post subject: Re: "Eyes Wide Shut"
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:00 pm 
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Eyes Wide Shut or Seen and Not Seen?
Am I reaching with the resemblance? Or just being rhetorical?


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 Post subject: Re: "Eyes Wide Shut"
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:29 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:43 pm 
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I answered about my knowledge of Kubrick and Scientology.. on the post that got erased.

So here it is again:

It's not a sense of smell. It strictly what I know.

I'm not sure why I have to repeat this?

I had a film teacher.. when I was a girl ... who was "clear" in CoS [you have to know what that means? ] in 1972! He knew and was an associate of L. Ron Hubbard for years!

He was my teacher.. I learned from him of the association of Kubrick and L. Ron H.

It's a body memory , body knowledge. Stan Chapman was my teacher.. It's not a "hunch" for me.

Can I go in to all the other things that reinforce that knowledge? Or do I even care?

I don't need to go into more.. Kubrick's style, his promotion in Hollywood, his arrogance, his treatment of others, his secrecy, his rumors of pedophilia and rumors of filming the Moon Landing. Even his "philosophy" if I can bear to read it.. This gobblety - gook about outer space, man becoming a god etc. It's "Scientology" Hubbard was a sci-fi writer..

I think people really need to learn more about Scientology - especially the upper levels.. XENO the intergalactic god. etc If you've never studied Scientology I suppose it realistic that you wouldn't understand it.

As I said and cited previously "L . Ron Hubbard; Messaih or Madman"

I've read tons on Scientology. That too, is all over the Internet.. I bet the old USENET files are still available.. As I said go to the "Fishman files"

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:55 pm 
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He was my teacher.. I learned from him of the association of Kubrick and L. Ron H.

What were his sources? And what was the association he claimed to know about ~ between SK and L.Ron, I mean?

liberty wrote:
I think people really need to learn more about Scientology - especially the upper levels.. XENO the intergalactic god. etc If you've never studied Scientology I suppose it realistic that you wouldn't understand it.

Or you can watch the episode of South Park. :lol:

I'e been interested in Co$ since I first wrote Lucid View (1996).

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:26 pm 
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Sorry for the over-reaction.. to your little encouragement.

It's like this:

1. People constantly demand proof in areas of my expertise.

2. Even when I show them proof - they go back to the start ("Fruit - Looping" / Recidivism)

3. They claim I haven't proved it, when I have.. And I have to realize "Everyone must prove it to themselves or not"

I can not prove anything to anyone.. Especially people who have not spent the time studying what I have studied. But who nevertheless, think they know more about it than I do; Or at least, that they know I am wrong, without even looking.. Or if they look, they can not see.

I'm interested how to bring people out of a trance - for sure. But I'm told by a hypnotist specialist , that what you say is "Wake Up"

However, this will work only in the case wherein, one was the person who induced the trance, to begin with?

So sorry for the over-reaction.. I add things as I see associations. Other people need to do the work to follow the links etc.. the Courchesne stuff is really fascinating.. For the relationship between "High Art" / Crime - Forgery - Reflection - Deception / And Technology.. His Wiki has been deleted 4 times.. I found out today.

psht. That's not to do with the title of this thread.. But it does have to do with movies, since Courchesne invented the modern "Panascope" which is a surround Movie Screen.

Courchesne did a lecture on "Art as Forgery" in 1998. This connects to Kubrick and the Forging of the Moon Landing.. since Forging images of men on the Moon, was an "Art as Forgery." Courchesne was responsible for one of the forged "Amateur vids" of the alleged aircraft penetrating the North Tower, like Butter, so he was involved not only as a commentator on "Art as Forgery" but also as an actor participating in the crime.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:39 pm 
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His sources was himself.. He was a "clear" at that year.. There were very few at that time, only a handful. He knew Hubbard personally. And talked about Stanley constantly. And Stanley and Hubbard. And "2001" - which was one of the films he showed us .. And Chapmen told us what was the subtext to that film. And was convinced of the truth of Scientology, which he passed along - that conviction; or tried to.

Chapman was more than just a teacher / lecturer..who stood at the front of the class. He was an intimate with the students. We had long classes; double blocks of time. We stayed after class. There was no roll taken.. A lot of young people did not show up. So Chapman had a circle of students around him that was fairly small. He told me about Hubbard and about Stanley.. Hubbard worshiped Stanley and knew him. Chapman also worshiped Stanley.

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liberty wrote:
He was my teacher.. I learned from him of the association of Kubrick and L. Ron H.

What were his sources? And what was the association he claimed to know about ~ between SK and L.Ron, I mean?

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liberty wrote:
I think people really need to learn more about Scientology - especially the upper levels.. XENO the intergalactic god. etc If you've never studied Scientology I suppose it realistic that you wouldn't understand it.

Or you can watch the episode of South Park. :lol:

I'e been interested in Co$ since I first wrote Lucid View (1996).


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 Post subject: Re: "Eyes Wide Shut"
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:42 pm 
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A reminder of this article, for those who have not read it

Is “Eyes Wide Shut” a Requiem for Stanley Kubrick’s Estranged Scientologist Daughter?

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In “The Secret of the Pyramid,” which appeared in the January 2013 issue of the film journal Positif, critic and screenwriter Laurent Vachaud offered a new interpretation of “Eyes Wide Shut,” Stanley Kubrick’s last film, which came out in 1999 and was based on Arthur Schnitzler’s “Dream Story” (1926). After analyzing the omnipresence of triangle patterns in the film’s sets, Vachaud (interviewed this week by ARTINFO) concluded that “Eyes Wide Shut” is much more than a simple story of spousal jealousy. He theorizes that it is about mind control exerted by the secret society to which Alice Harford (Nicole Kidman) belongs. Her husband, Bill Harford (Tom Cruise), with “big closed eyes,” is blind to the fact that his wife is part of a cult that provides sex slaves to wealthy elites. This use of women echoes Doctor Strangelove’s final speech, in which he says that “with the right genetic policy, a ratio of 10 females per male, the population could return to its current level within 20 years.”

In his article, Vachaud wrote that the theme of abused children is at the heart of all Kubrick’s movies since “Lolita,” and that the Harfords’ child would also become, under the control of her mother, a slave of the secret society. Uncovering “barely veiled allusions” to Scientology in “Eyes Wide Shut” (among them the fact that Tom Cruise is himself a zealous Scientologist), the article claimed to discover a parallel between the movie and Kubrick’s personal life. His daughter Vivian Kubrick, who acted in several of her father’s movies, directed a film about the making of “The Shining,” and wrote the music for “Full Metal Jacket” (under the pseudonym Abigail Mead), joined the Scientologists during the preparation for “Eyes Wide Shut” and was no longer speaking to her family as of 1998.


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 Post subject: Re: "Eyes Wide Shut"
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:06 pm 
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Yes, this is a fascinating read on the film.

Video here:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12dch ... inati_news


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