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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:15 am 
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This topic has just hit my radar and is strangely synchronistic given the nature of some of what I've been reluctantly debating with Jasun recently. It's almost as if it fell into my awareness just to throw me this curve. X<?/ First a little background.

My wife has been involved in some online workshops for the past few months that are focused on first getting healthy as well as dealing with PTSD. I could keep up with some of it earlier on when she was reading a book by Dr. Christiane Northrup. She signed up for Northrup's online workshop and from there she discovered Dr. Mario Martinez (I mentioned him in the podcast thread back in April) and I was cool with what I was hearing about what she was getting from that stuff but now she seems to be kind of all over the place with it now and I don't know how she's coming to what she's discovering. But I've just let her pursue these things in the way she feels she needs to and will continue to do so as she does seem like she's found some useful scripts and exercises in the midst of all of it.

Now more to the point. She had come to me the other day with a podcast interview she liked that was only available to listen to for a limited time. She wanted a copy of it but it wasn't downloadable so naturally she asked if I could record it for her which I did. That was the first time I heard the name Teal Swan.

Today my wife received one of Teal Swan's latest book in the mail which I discovered was just published in May 2015. Just before she went to bed earlier this evening she read to me the opening parts of the book which recount Swan's childhood experience of being born with extra-sensory abilities and partly as a result of having those abilities had been ritually tortured and sexually abused from the age of 6 until she got away from it at 19 by a combination of a Mormon fundamentalist cult and a Satanic cult. Of course this set me off in doing my own background checking of this person mainly because of the combination of those kinds of claims mixed with her peddling new agey self-help ideas. A web search of the name "Teal Swan" or her former "Teal Scott" brings up so much that it's hard to bother going through any of it. There is a mix of numerous of her own websites and series of youtube videos and others' critical analyses of her and her work like THIS ONE which I did take the time to read through.

Since there is so much out there to weed through I just chose to watch this following interview of her and found it interesting and a little unsettling. At first, when my wife was reading me that account of her childhood, it was those ritual abuse claims that initially set me off on wanting to look into her but what I actually now find more unsettling is what she talks about in this interview regarding her "spiritual" ideas. It may be worth stressing again that she claims she was born with her extra-sensory abilities and, hence, they are not a result of her trauma. She claims she was traumatized basically as a result of having them. I suspect that she was abused as a child and probably for the time period she gives (from 6 to 19) but I don't know how I feel about her accounts of it.



I would like to hear Jasun's take on this... if you don't mind taking the time to look at it and sharing of course. :cheers:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:23 am 
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Note her reaction to the mention of Crowley at the 18:10 mark.

There is also this linked at the same site you link to:

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I've always found the theme song from M*A*S*H to be darkly compelling. Beautiful and melodic, it is an oddly seductive paean to ending it all. Reading the latest from the marvelous Gaby Petris, it occurs to me that for many people, Teal Bosworth Scott Swan's relentless obsession with suicide has a similar allure for many of her followers. She is far more dangerous. When she speaks of suicide as, not only painless, but blissful, she does so without tongue in cheek. Hers is a kind of siren song pulling her many suicidal followers closer and closer to the rocks.

I want to show you a precarious vortex that is massing around the teacher Teal Swan. Within it suffering people seeking an answer are circling. I want to communicate a sense of its dangerous undertow. That pulls people in. And under.
http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.c ... .html#more

It's fishier than a barrel of mackerel. She has a likably fresh, unforced manner, not at all histrionic; but she seems childlike or even child-ish, not at all substantial, more like an actor than anything. Considering the depths of the things she is talking about, and darkness of some of it, she is weirdly glib and disconnected. She is a spokesperson and doesn't ever seem to leave the script; there's no expression of doubt or discovery, she has it all mapped out, an answer to every question.

More disturbingly she seems to be using her sexual charms as a way to neutralize skeptical thought: this might work best on women since there wouldn't be sexual desire (yang) interfering with receptivity (yin), but a deep desire to emulate her, to be like that, wise, childlike, profound, spiritual, and super-gorgeous.

She eerily resembles a young Patricia Arquette.

I didn't read all of the linked article (very long) but it seems thoughtful enough; there's a ton of comments to, which may be where the juice is; you've got your work cut out! :deadgeek:

Just now hearing her promoting socialism towards the end....?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:30 am 
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"There is no separation between the soul & the body" (around 48 min mark)

Besides all the wu-wu stuff, this is the first thing I heard that rung an alarm bell; in my view the split between soul & body (trauma-sourced dissociation) is the only "problem": and not
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just a couple of factors in an infinite number of factors that make up human experience.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:06 am 
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Jasun wrote:
Just now hearing her promoting socialism towards the end....?


Oy vey. What's next? Are you going to recommend we all run out and buy gold and Bitcoins?


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Jasun wrote:
Just now hearing her promoting socialism towards the end....?


Oy vey. What's next? Are you going to recommend we all run out and buy gold and Bitcoins?


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I don't get it. =+*@

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You started to sound like one of those people who have a thing about any idea expressed that could be construed as socialism. Am I getting the wrong impression? Talk of the Fabians and the origins of the Labour party have echoes of Alan Watt (not Watts) who thinks Aldous Huxley wanted to depopulate the Earth.

This goes hand in hand with the contingent that is obsessed with hedging against economic collapse by buying gold and fighting the power of the banks by using Bitcoins. Anyway, I only made the comment to prevent myself for ranting about that Teal lady's suicide thingy which is sort of interesting but boring too. I am somewhat in agreement about the view of suicide as an emergency exit it's good to know about but to cultivate the idea in a public forum is nothing short of idiotic. But I recoiled from myself for wanting to respond to that. (Originally said recoiled at myself)

I'm starting to wonder about what's been the effect of your emanating from a part of the upper-class social elite. Are any of us really safe here? :fartbomb:

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fence sitter wrote:
You started to sound like one of those people who have a thing about any idea expressed that could be construed as socialism. Am I getting the wrong impression? Talk of the Fabians and the origins of the Labour party have echoes of Alan Watt (not Watts) who thinks Aldous Huxley wanted to depopulate the Earth.

Since I grew up among people advocating socialism as a guise for capitalism expansionism I know that it's a trusted and tried disguise for the social engineers. Nazism was national socialism, too. So when someone who is obviously a privileged public figure starts bleeting about socialism, I hear the snarling of a wolf.

And I don't think the plan is to depopulate the earth, on the contrary; capitalism needs consumers and workers, the more the merrier.

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I'm starting to wonder about what's been the effect of your emanating from a part of the upper-class social elite. Are any of us really safe here? :fartbomb:

Safe from what?

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Jasun, you seemed to have watched more of the above video than I did. I think I got about half way into it but was in the process of calling it quits that night at the time of posting here. My wife and I had a discussion the next morning about what I had researched on Teal Swan which wasn't really that much but probably enough to get some kind of idea outside just the book my wife was reading. I don't think that she (my wife) is in any danger of falling into some kind of Teal cult following. She seems to just be exploring different avenues. I didn't continue to look further into Teal Swan after that discussion.

I did notice the brief mention of Aleister Crowley (name mispronounced and all) and her little dismissive reaction. Like most who have heard his name or watched countless "illuminati" videos on youtube where the his name has become a synonym for "evil satanic conspiracy", Teal probably knows little to nothing about Crowley, let alone his ideas and philosophy of Magick.

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Jasun wrote:
Since I grew up among people advocating socialism as a guise for capitalism expansionism I know that it's a trusted and tried disguise for the social engineers. Nazism was national socialism, too. So when someone who is obviously a privileged public figure starts bleeting about socialism, I hear the snarling of a wolf.


Anything said by members of the privileged tier of society sounds like the snarling of the wolf to me. But I don't think there was anything Socialist about Nazism at all, it's just a word they put in the title they thought would appeal to people. And calling it National Vagina wouldn't have gone down that well at the time.

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Safe from what?


I don't know, you tell me.

Anyway, I don't think it's all that likely that you're a stooge for the elites or even GCHQ.

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And I don't think the plan is to depopulate the earth, on the contrary; capitalism needs consumers and workers, the more the merrier.


Yes this is right. I'm kind of perplexed at why a lot of "conspiracy" voices are obsessed with depopulation. Getting the numbers down would be absolutely brilliant so I can't see why anyone would think the top echelons would be interested in that.

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I did notice the brief mention of Aleister Crowley (name mispronounced and all) and her little dismissive reaction. Like most who have heard his name or watched countless "illuminati" videos on youtube where the his name has become a synonym for "evil satanic conspiracy", Teal probably knows little to nothing about Crowley, let alone his ideas and philosophy of Magick.

It wasn't a dismissive reaction, it looked more like a somatic response. She gasped, tho only after a delay of several seconds.

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But I don't think there was anything Socialist about Nazism at all, it's just a word they put in the title they thought would appeal to people.

Exactly.

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